The Leadership Of This Brave City:
Members of Council
Christian Provenzano [Mayor Christian Provenzano]
c/o Civic Centre
99 Foster Drive
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6A 5X6
Steve Butland [Ward 1 Councillor Steve Butland]
40 Angelina Avenue
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6A 4C6
[Phone] 705-542-0546 (Mobile)
Paul Christian [Ward 1 Councillor Paul Christian]
12 Shoreview Court
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6A 5Y5
[Phone] 705-989-7173 (Mobile)
Susan Myers [Ward 2 Councillor Susan Myers]
313 MacDonald Avenue
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6B 5Y9
[Phone] 705-256-6128 (Home)
Sandra Hollingsworth [Ward 2 Councillor Sandra Hollingsworth]1785 Queen Street East
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6A 2G8
Judy Hupponen [Ward 3 Councillor Judy Hupponen]
56 Malabar Drive
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6B 4A5
[Phone] 705-949-3885 (Home)
[Phone] 705-989-4080 (Mobile)
Matthew Shoemaker [Ward 3 Councillor Matthew Shoemaker]
19 Haviland Crescent
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6B 3G5
[Phone] 705-971-6631 (Mobile)
Rick Niro [Ward 4 Councillor Rick Niro]
574 Morrison Avenue
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6B 3Z9
[Phone] 705-949-7750 (Home)
[Phone] 705-542-6561 (Mobile)
Lou Turco [Ward 4 Councillor Lou Turco]
22 Albert Street West
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6A 1B3
[Phone] 705-253-4070 (Home)
[Phone] 705-989-4278 (Mobile)
[Fax] 705-945-0037 (Fax)
Marchy Bruni [Ward 5 Councillor Marchy Bruni]
159 Bitonti Crescent
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6C 6B6
[Phone] 705-949-9187 (Home)
[Phone] 705-971-0029 (Mobile)
Frank Fata [Ward 5 Councillor Frank Fata]
56 Cabot Crescent
Sault Ste. Marie ON P6C 5X1
[Phone] 705-942-6630 (Home and Fax)
[Phone] 705-989-4238 (Mobile)
Joe Krmpotich [Ward 6 Councillor Joe Krmpotich]
13 Winfield Drive
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6C 2N2
[Phone] 705-949-1321 (Home)
[Phone] 705-542-6835 (Mobile)
Ozzie Grandinetti [Ozzie Grandinetti - Councillor Ward 6]
346 Nixon Road
Sault Ste. Marie, ON P6C 5R9
[Phone] 705-987-5297 (Mobile)
[Phone] 705-941-1056 (Mobile)
VIDEO: About those vehicle inspection stickersCst. Sonny Spina gives the lowdown
May 30, 2018 4:00 PM by: SooToday Staff
Vehicle inspection stickers: ‘The law is the law,’ Sault Police Chief saysBut, Keetch agrees more notice, education of public on rules regarding vehicles with trailers should have been given
In 1971 J. Standard Baker Quoted " Drivers Towing Trailers Are Four (4) Times As Unsafe As Those In Cars Alone!
We ask why all of a sudden?
Could it be us?
We e mail constantly all the violations we have in Henrico County and are training a small army all over the United States to take pictures of these dangerous trailers and then we can post them.
Since 1975 Over 27,000 dead men, women and children caused by a "Passenger Car That Tow's A Trailer"
Maybe it's this video we keep sending to the OPP and all over the World?
The United States Government refuses to do a video like these cops have
The County Of Henrico County keeps refusing to do any video so we will do one and explain this week.
We demand on the full disclosure on the death of a human by a defective trailer...We had a fatal last year at Allens Side Road and Third Line that involved an overloaded trailer…in southern Ontario it’s a huge issue in regard to runaway trailers.”
Once Again We Have a political leader who does not want to enforce public safety. If your trailer is safe then you have no issues but the people who are getting fined and ticketed because they have the ball's to tow a defective trailer in front of others is wrong.
Note: Who made the rule of only 4,500 kilograms? That means every trailer just one pound under 4,500 kilograms will never be inspected.
More people get killed by these under 4,500 Kilograms and in the United States under 3,000 GVWR trailers ...see the report and read the last page. Every Political Leader like Mr. Bruni is fully aware of the crap people are towing and they do nothing.
Robert Keetch, Sault Ste. Marie Police Service chief, at a Sault Ste. Marie Police Services board meeting, May 31, 2018. Darren Taylor/SooToday
Sault Ste. Marie Police Services board members have told Sault Police more advance notice and education regarding enforcement of laws for vehicles hauling trailers should have been given to Sault motorists.
A video in which Sault Police Constable Sonny Spina explained the need for vehicles and trailers to have an annual inspection was released on social media Wednesday after questions arose from surprised Saultites with trailers during a recent traffic clampdown.
Board member Marchy Bruni, a Ward 5 City Councillor speaking at Thursday’s Police Services board regular monthly meeting, said “the mayor has received many phone calls, as have several councillors including myself, phone calls and emails, regarding this. I guess nobody was aware of this annual safety inspection.”
“As a board member I would say yes, the advertising and promoting of it did not happen until the last minute. I did see Mr. Spina’s Facebook presentation (video) and it was very good, I just wish it was out there maybe two or three months ago, just like a RIDE program, I see Police Services advertising there will be a RIDE program (ahead of time)…I know it’s the law but can there be a grace period to make sure everybody is informed about this?” Bruni said.
While acknowledging the importance of traffic law enforcement, board member John Bruno added “knowing something is going to happen would be a good heads up, for people to know.”
“Obviously it’s an issue in our community right now…we know there’s been enforcement done in the community and we certainly are aware that wasn’t necessarily well received within the community,” said Robert Keetch, Sault Police chief, in reply to the board.
Keetch acknowledged greater notice could have been put out by Sault Police regarding laws concerning vehicles hauling trailers.
“Could we have done a public service campaign to educate the community in relation to the requirements? We did it yesterday (through Spina’s video), could we have done it earlier? Yes, I would say we could have.”
“We can learn,” Keetch said.
“But, at the end of the day, the law is the law. We don’t write the law, we enforce the law. This law’s been in effect for a considerable amount of time and it is a safety issue in our community,” Keetch said.
“We see trailers that are highly overloaded, highly overweight, do not have effective braking systems and that poses a risk to our community. We had a fatal last year at Allens Side Road and Third Line that involved an overloaded trailer…in southern Ontario it’s a huge issue in regard to runaway trailers.”
Speaking to reporters, Spina said “a vehicle over 4,500 kilograms needs an annual inspection…any vehicle or vehicle/trailer combination over 4,500 kilograms needs to have an annual inspection for all the usual safety reasons.”
Spina said RVs, along with what he described as ‘toy haulers’ (a vehicle in which the front half or more is living space, the rear space reserved to hold items such as 4 wheelers) and trailers less than 2,800 kilograms are exempt.
A trailer over 4,500 kilograms requires the operator to get a Class A licence, Spina said.
“These vehicles are so heavy, things wear out faster on them, they just do so naturally, and they need to be inspected every year to ensure they’re safe.”
Annual inspection stickers for Sault motorists with heavy vehicles and/or trailers can be obtained through many local garages, Spina said.
A group of Sault Police officers were assigned, in Jan. 2017, to a beefed up traffic unit aimed at improving road safety, that initiative now winding down.
Part of that program involved training an officer on the rules regarding vehicles and trailers.
“They’ve written about 2,000 tickets focusing on distracted driving, intersections including the Gore and Albert Street intersection, speeding, aggressive driving, seatbelts, anything we felt impacted road safety in our community,” Keetch said.
“For years we’ve been trying to get training on commercial vehicle regulation and enforcement through the Ministry and the OPP. We were afforded that training and…one officer came back and he has been enforcing legislation that’s been in effect for a number of years with regard to trailers and vehicles and weight restrictions and the requirements for inspections.”
Keetch said a press release will be issued regarding the number of traffic violations spotted by the traffic unit in its latest campaign.
In terms of numbers, Deputy Chief Sean Sparling told the board “there were about 1,800 charges they laid, of which about 150 were in relation to trailers.”
Tell public of trailer enforcement: BRUNI
By Brian Kelly, Sault Star
Friday, June 1, 2018 4:24:08 EDT PM
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Report an errorCity police didn't do enough to warn motorists of a recent enforcement of trailers, vehicles and weight restrictions, a city councillor charges.
Ward 5 Coun. Marchy Bruni, who is a member of Sault Ste. Marie Police Services Board, said the municipal force didn't highlight the crackdown “until the last minute.”
He noted media liasion officer Const. Sonny Spina posted a related video on the service's Facebook page on Wednesday, but he wanted to see such an effort done “maybe two (to) three months” ago.
“My thinking is people were not aware of this law,” said Bruni during a police board meeting on Thursday. “I think people would receive it better than they're taking it now.”
Any trailer, vehicle or trailer and vehicle weighing more than 4,500 kilograms need an annual inspection. There are some exceptions, such as a RV, or a trailer that weighs less than 2,800 kilograms.
Bruni asked Chief Robert Keetch if city police could offer “a grace period to make sure everybody's informed about this,” pointing to “substantial” fines handed to motorists who weren't in compliance.
Keetch wasn't biting, telling the city councillor he wouldn't allow such a period of time “to allow these type of violations” to happen, saying it would “be negligent on my part and potentially put the community at risk.”
“I've got a lot of power, but I don't know if I have the power to say don't comply with legislation that's enacted by the government,” he said. “I'm not going to tell my officers not to impose it. I'm going to ask that they use their discretion, look at the individual circumstances and make a decision whether charges are warranted.”
Keetch acknowledged the trailer focus “wasn't necessarily well received” in the city, but added “a lot of that” discontent is based on “rumours rather than facts.”
He suggested blogs on an online news site contain information about the issue that is “not factually accurate” about requirements that have been in effect “for a considerable amount of time.
“Did we make mistakes?” said Keetch. “I would say potentially we could have handled this differently, but at the end of the day the law is the law. We don't write the law. We enforce the law.”
He called trailers, vehicles and weight restrictions a safety issue for the community.
“We see trailers that are highly overloaded, highly over weight, do not have effective braking systems that potentially pose a risk to our community,” said Keetch. He said a fatal crash involving a motorcycle and pickup truck at Allen's Side Road and Third Line West in April 2017 involved an overloaded trailer.
Board member John Bruno said the public should know what police enforcement priorities are.
“Knowing that something is going to happen would be a good heads up for people to know,” he said. “Are we overdoing one part at the expense of something else? Are we missing these violations and going to those violations?”
Spina told board members an annual inspection can cost $80 to $200.
“The cost of the annual inspection is not overwhelming,” he told reporters. “These vehicles are so heavy, things wear out faster on them. They just do, naturally. They need to be inspected every year to ensure they're safe.”
His video has been viewed 11,000 times in three days.
“We found that we could reach a much, much wider audience very, very quickly by just shooting a short, two-minute video explaining all the rules and exactly what these inspections look at.”
Deputy chief Sean Sparling said trailer-related charges represent a small number of total charges handed out by a traffic enforcement unit that started in early February.
A total of 1,790 charges, nearly all under the Highway Traffic Act, were laid. Trailer-related charges stand at 160.
“You're dealing with a fairly small number of actual traffic stops,” said Sparling.
The traffic enforcement unit is wrapping up with results expected to be announced in the coming week.
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And Here Are The Comments:
colt6gun about 6 hours ago
Has anyone that was ticketed actually been weighed to see if they were over 4500kg? I doubt Spina weighed any one. He just assumed your weight. The sticker on the door is not your weight it's your gross allowed weight. The law does not say sticker weight it says "with a combined weight of 4500kg". So if you were not weighed to prove you were over weight you can fight it.J
janegray about 18 hours ago
Maybe this maybe considered Entrapment.you got a hot topic sootoday we need you to keep on it,we need to see notice that police say they put out way too early .never saw on today or star.track them down .Let's see what this all about!? It's a mystery?[towsor]
towsor a day ago
Last thought on this mess. Go watch Youtube: Top Towing Fails..Who gave them a licence? The first several clips show what happens when you have too much trailer with too light a tow vehicle. Its pretty simple science and anatomy. To penalize a person with a HD truck is just plain stupid. Forcing drivers to resort to light weight light duty trucks and SUVs that ARE rated to tow some higher weighted trailers results in an inability to control stopping and not being able to control the dreaded "wagging the dog". Watch the video and don't start towing with a Skoda or a Fiat 500 or even an old Ford Ranger (to try to stay within the safe weight limits), just because some beancounter thinks its a good way to make money. Safety, my oh my.OL
Omni Global Ltd. a day ago
police say their was notice Feb,Well lets see a copy ,most of us were dead on our feet,plowing,I want to see copy of it,if it excists print copies online,but this should have been out First of April for 30 days in row..All tickets should be in garbage,Gonna talk to A Generals office in T.O. Will give to lawyers local start ball rolling.Z
Zirthimon a day ago
Next on the list, being issued speeding tickets because your vehicle is capable of speeding or being charged with murder because you have kitchen knives in the drawer. Can they charge you with arson if you have a lighter in your pocket?OL
Omni Global Ltd. a day ago
Seems that's the way it's headedJ
janegray a day ago
If mayor and board has power to fire police chief ,then they should have power to cancell all these tickets,mayor says as soon as fond out about this he had it stopped.Problem is he sits on board when this was approved.So where was he when this was voted on?This is very serious matter which effects your insurance,points,Someone has power to overturn these ticket.Is it the attorney general.Maybe this is Keetches farewell gift to us.Tell me who and we will go after that person,but mayor is on thin No thin ice till it gets done?Election is coming up?S
Ski-Dude a day ago
SSMPS I will tell you that I am going to use my 3/4 ton 3400kg pickup to pull my trailers loaded with my recreational items weighing in at about 2000kg. I will not be getting SSC. I will aslo not be commiting murder, consuming illicit drugs, doing break and enters, i will not be assulting people, commiting armed robbery or texting while driving.
Must be too difficult to allocate resources to real crime/major safety concerns. Much easier to pick the low hanging fruit. Looks good on you SSMPS attacking the good tax payers.C
CamperMan a day ago
Spina says in the video that the police received numerous complaints about unsafe tow vehicles. Really? Who complained? From what I read here no one really understands the towing law so I have to question the 'numerous complainant' quote!S
Ski-Dude a day ago
I for one will be putting the SSMPS phone number on quick dial for when I need to complain about those nuisance ebikes, tweeked out patrons and or distracted driversOL
Omni Global Ltd. a day ago
I talked to the Staff Seregent today. Apparently it was due to complaints on Allens Side road about heavy scrap trailers primarily. Wow. So 5 ppl complain and they do this but 5000 complain about drunk ebikers and streets full of junkies and they don't do anything cause those rejects can't pay their tickets so why botherN
Northerner61 a day ago
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who didn't get caught with my truck and trailer during the blitz. I got a heads up from a business owner where I was getting new tires for my trailer. He said an asshole has been pulling people over and that he got pulled himself on his way to get inspected. He was able to prove he had the appointment but the cop told him too bad. Luckily I got my new tires on the trailer and got it home without seeing the white F150. My truck and trailer is now ready for inspection... the question is.. will I get it to the inspection place without being pulled over? After reading the comments, my thought on this is to take it for inspection after 5:00 pm when magically the city streets, trucks and trailers enter a time where everyone is safe. If it was about safety, it would be a 24/7 concerns.
Omni Global Ltd. a day ago
I was on the phone with them today. They said that if u are going to get it inspected and get pulled that they willdrop it with a verified apptK
KurtisM a day ago
I think it's ridiculous that a dealership will sell you a HD truck that weighs 2700kg empty and then hand you the ownership that says on it your max weight is 3000kg. Now as soon as you fill the tank and put 2 people in it you are over weight.
There are a lot of laws being enforced now. You need to make sure your ownership weight rating is set right, you need to make sure your truck and trailer are yellow stickered if required, log books if required and also need to make sure the weight ratings are not exceeded for your truck's ratings. Not only that you need to make sure you are loaded correctly as to not be over weight on your hitch or either axle on truck or trailer.
You need to make sure if you are hauling for business purposes you are carrying a commercial insurance policy. If you are pulled over as a business and don't have a commercial policy your truck is considered uninsured.
Running a legit business is hard work. Our trucks are all going in to make sure they comply.G
getserious a day ago
No problems with your comments but it's also ridiculous that a non - business person who buys a brand new half ton with a GVW of 3000 KG and a brand new 14 foot enclosed aluminium trailer with a GVW of 2800 KG has to have both inspected and stickered at a cost of over $300 every year. Even though the actual weight of the truck, and trailer loaded with 2 ATVs would likely be under the 4500 KG combined limit. The original regulations were never meant for that.
As for the chief and deputy chief, how about directing this officer's enthusiasm towards something useful like addressing drivers on their cell phones? Anyone who drives in this city will see many people talking or texting. How about telling the public how none of your people knew about these regulations before this officer started ticketing people and the complaints started pouring in? How about our MPP addressing this with their party? It's long past time to update this law to address the heavy commercial vehicles that it was intended to address and protect honest conscientious citizens?O
opinionated a day ago
Or how about sicking super cop on some actual crime.. This Sault star article from about the time he started this BS.
KurtisM a day ago
Also most people don't know that on their ownership it likely says you are only allowed to be a gross weight of 3000kg. The funny thing is, lots of HD trucks weigh over 3000kg once you fill the tank with gas and put 2-3 adults in it. This means lots of people are buying brand new trucks and driving off the lot overweight unknowingly.
You can get your ownership changed to be up to 4400kg without having to get yellow stickers. It will make your license plate stickers more expensive though.
Travel trailer and campers weights are exempt however.G
getserious a day ago
How about telling the truth here Sonny? B.S. that these officers were sent away as a result of trailer complaints. You're offering this video to try and explain the unacceptable actions of an officer who does not believe in discretion and is severely damaging the reputation of our police service instead of trying to build it up. Suddenly enforcing a 16 year old regulation that was not designed for persecuting our citizens without any thought of the reasons or repercussions is appalling. How about telling the public how the MTO has no control over the cost of obtaining these stickers, what they cost or the fact that these inspections are required annually? How about telling the public that you can hook up these trailers to an SUV that is not equipped with the heavy duty trailer hitch, suspension, transmission, motor or tires of a pick up truck and be in compliance with these regulations?J
janegray a day ago
So is it private or companies who need yellow stickers and by what closing date ,do all trailers need stickers,video not very good maybe 200 of us in parade should head to police station?O
opinionated a day ago
Everyone [who owns a pickup, i.e. black lettered plates] needs them who is registered and/or weighs over 4500kg needs them.
Under the legislation any pickup truck is a "commercial vehicle" and anything that's not a camper trailer also applies.
It's true that it's not a new law by any means and technically everyone is in the wrong, however, there has been ZERO enforcement here traditionally and there was ZERO education prior to tickets being handed out by super-cop. Not good policing at all SSMPS!S
SHD a day ago
It is both. Personal and Commercial. My husband's company vehicles and trailers needed the sticker and he has a 1/2 ton. I have a half ton which I haul a trailer for hay ect and needed the sticker. it comes down to weight.J
janegray a day ago
So who has the power to order police to burn all tickets is it city council and mayor or the the A general of Ontario,these trailers do not hurt streets ,and it's no about safety and it's not dump trucks ,maybe if we get 20 trailers and dump trucks to parade around town,we can get national attention ,look at the traffic now .I live in East end and Work in West best way home queen to East end off bay?OL
Omni Global Ltd. a day ago
No one wants to take a risk of not getting voted for. Mayor won't help. MPP won't help. Police obviously won't help. MP says it's not his problem. They all blame each other. Good system we haveS
status-quo a day ago
Just a heads-up . If the trailer hitch receiver obstructs "any" part of the rear licence plate you should remove it when not pulling a trailer. The cops can pull you over and fine you for that.B
Boomer4771 a day ago
I can see them nailing a guy hauling scrap metal with an old truck that isn't fit to be on a dirt trail let alone a city street , fenders flopping in the wind,rear bumper near touching ground but a person hauling half a load of dirt in a well made trailer.... Totally ludicrous and idiotic. This idiot in the white ford doing this gives a bad name to our police force.O
opinionated a day ago
towsor 2 days ago
This is clearly a case of "fishing where the fish are". If its such a concern, such a tragedy, where are the OPP in this? Where are the MTO Enforcement crew? Where are the Fed MT? Why no 24/7 trailer check for the US tourists at the bridge or at the city limits or on Hwy 17?? We have all seen those dinky trailers with 3-4 ATV's and 3 boats or 6-8 snow machines with Michigan or Ohio plates bringing such harm and danger to our city streets. Equality for all under the law. Start stub'n those evil tourists boys! How about an informative video saying this month we will not enforce speeding, or driving at night with no lights, but if you have your trailer ball in your hitch but no trailer on it, we'll get you for $385. Keep in mind the businesses affected will just up their prices to cover the fines and the newly enforced licensing costs. The rest of us will actually pay the price when we buy their services. "Safer" is still not the word I would use to describe how I feel.[towsor]
towsor 2 days ago
So Sonny, I didn't think you were a kool-aid drinker, but I'm sorry, that video just cost any votes in your future. (Lets go after the public for a month, but we won't tell them, then we'll have Sonny try to explain it away in a 2 min video...really?) Your saying these HTA offences have been on the books for 17 years and the SPF just decided to enforce them now? Firstly, what happened to community and police working side by side? What happened to working better together? Secondly, you just lost so much "good will" in the community with this nonsense and as the posts below reveal, little sense does it make. You silly shmucks, you just became an "added value". Not only can we fight crime with our city police, we can enforce stuff we haven't done before and make an overloaded utility trailer full of $ too. I don't feel safer. I feel a $500+ taxation every year (forever) on my truck and trailer. How's the investigation going on my 2 trailer B&E's my garage B&E and my truck B&E? Safer yet?[towsor]
towsor May 30, 2018 11:47 PM
I'm new at this so, my first comment will be a test.
Legal without SSC or CVOR: an SUV weighing 2300kg can haul a 3300kg RV with a combined weight of 5600kg
Illegal without a SSC: a pickup weighing 3200kg towing a utility trailer weighing 1301kg with a total weight of 4501kg
Common now, how does this make any sense! An SUV can be bagged right out and over loaded whereas the much more capable and safer pickup truck will have to be safetied yearly.......with a much lighter load. Someone needs smack the side of their noggin.M
melbatoast May 30, 2018 10:47 PM
Maybe they are referring to ford pickups so you don't hurt themC
Chris1117 May 30, 2018 10:53 PM
Apperently he pulled a one ton ford with a dual axle dump trailer off the road and took his plates for being overweight.
The trucks factory sticker was capable of pulling the trailer and the trailer was capable of hauling the load. But he didnt have either registered for the weight. So that proves they have no concern for actual safety & its entirely a cash grab. Its just sad. SSM Police have really emberessed themselves.M
melbatoast May 30, 2018 10:57 PM
And make sure your windshield wipes work...that's 380$
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 11:34 PM
But the pickup weighting 3200kg can tow a 7000kg RV right off the lot too and that's OK but can't use the 1500kg trailer to do anything cause it's over weight empty. Perfect.J
janegray May 30, 2018 10:30 PM
Election coming up maybe time to get someone in to control what's going on ,and all those cheap shot fines ,and we paid to send these cops to mot school so they can put small biz out of biz? Mayor sits on board ,how come he never saw this warnings people,Throw fines out and get rid of mayor?S
stugots44 May 30, 2018 10:25 PM
Why not enforce distracted driving in this city. I'm sure you won't get any complaints for enforcing the number one killer on our roads rather then the harassment that is taking place in this city concerning towing.
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 10:39 PM
That's coming next. Wait till you get a warning for having a coffee or a sandwich in your hand while driving like the OPP started doing on the highway.M
melbatoast May 30, 2018 10:42 PM
To much effortOL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 11:34 PM
Already happening in Hwy 17 by Elliot LakeS
Ski-Dude May 30, 2018 10:24 PM
The change to the regulation is purely a cash grab. I guarantee there was little to no analysis to otherwise backup the reason to change the regulation. Maybe SSC's for pickups and trailers being operated for commercial duties but not for pickups and trailers being used recreationally.S
SHD May 30, 2018 10:19 PM
I am ok with getting the sticker as it is what has been in place for some time only people became uneducated regarding it. What bothers me is SSMPS themselves had to go get educated to be equiped to enforce it; therefore they should have provided the public with information and advise how long we had to get in compliance prior to starting enforcement. In addition, every vehicle dealer, trailer sales, ServiceOntario and MTO should be providing literature/advising people of the requirements. Obviously if you buy a vehicle with a tow package there is a expectation you be towing or a trailer....S
Ski-Dude May 30, 2018 10:17 PM
It's not just the SSMP it's the MTO also now enforcing these ludicrous regs. There used to be "personal use" on commercial vehicles (including the common pickup truck) over 4500kg and under 6000kg (gross weight including trailer) whereas neither the truck or trailer cannot hold items normally used for commercial purposes. Now only exception is RV's.M
melbatoast May 30, 2018 9:28 PM
New cop shop is what I see in the future got make things look good for itM
Mopar May 30, 2018 9:14 PM
I called the cops about this back in April because I heard that people were getting charged. The officer I spoke with told me “Sir, the city police are not worried about your personal trailer and we have more important things to deal with”. I had an appointment to get my trailer inspected and cancelled it after speaking with the SSMPD. Guess I better get that yellow sticker. Or maybe I’ll just by some yellow tape and stick it on the side of my trailer.C
Chris1117 May 30, 2018 9:00 PM
The officer who is doing this is named Jacob Rouse. He enjoys hurting all the small business' in this city who are just trying to make a living. It makes me sick to think that our mayors office, our MPP,and our Aldermen do not care about the financial impact this has on tax paying business' in this community.
He also keeps giving the drivers of these vehicles enormous fines for incredibly minor infractions. These drivers make 20$ an hour at most. He cannot undetstand the financial impact that has on a seasonal worker ( Who works full time at most 6 months out of the year).
The most insane part of this is that the vehicles he is pulling over are not the ones affecting city streets!!!! I would be really happy if SSM Police could weigh in on this.OL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 9:16 PM
melbatoast May 30, 2018 9:18 PM
How would they feel if someone took half of their "hard
Chris1117 May 30, 2018 9:20 PM
City officials cannot even pay for parking!!!! Imagine if someone took thier cheque!CL
Chris L May 30, 2018 8:53 PM
If the intent of the SSMPS was to inform and educate drivers as they say, why were tickets handed out rather than warnings for EVERY infraction?. This is a blatant money grab. The fact they are using an unmarked plain f150 is even more shady. Serve and protect went out the window a long time ago. "Fine and Control" seems to be the new norm.
o does this mean if I have a yellow sticker I have to fill out a log book to drive my own personal vehicle?
colt6gun May 30, 2018 7:35 PM
Should check to make sure all the police vehicles and trailers have their yellow sticker. I bet that riot vehicle is over 4500kgC
colt6gun May 30, 2018 7:55 PM
And I bet the police officers writing the tickets don't have the yellow sticker on their personal pickups either.OL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 9:01 PM
Doesn't matter if you're an officer in the case of the riot truck. Cops get a designation that while on duty they can operate any vehicle class for emergency or operation usage.C
colt6gun May 30, 2018 7:05 PM
It's the Liberals trying to get back some of the billions of dollars wasted since getting in power.B
Backatitracing May 30, 2018 7:13 PM
Guess we can use it as a tax right off for parts gas and all that stuff if you got a yellow sticker thenCL
Chris L May 30, 2018 8:43 PM
Open a business and yes you canT
ThinkAgain May 30, 2018 7:00 PM
Just a new tax grabT
Thorandloki May 30, 2018 6:45 PM
How about the fact they are doing it in an unmarked Ford f150. Nothing showing its a police vehicle until they turn on the flashing lights.. Also.. It doesn't even make sense that if John Q. Truckowner buys a half ton for his personal use, then buys a small enclosed trailer for his atv or sled... He is suddenly a commercial vehicle. Show me the commerce he is has created for himself. Ugh. Such a waste of time. Check for seatbelts and distracted or drunk driving. That's it. Then, devote the time you'd take enforcing this ridiculous law, and reinvest that time in more nighttime patrols or investigations on all these damn break-ins.[bounder]
bounder 2 days ago
I would only pull over in a safe public area, not just anywhere. Don"t trust anyone.!OL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 6:37 PM
What this video doesn't tell you is that trailer weight rating of 4500kg only applies to pickup trucks because of antiquated law governing a truck as "all commercial" vehicles with a passenger designation until they have weight hooked up to them. THEN the law applies. SUV''s can haul up to 11000kgs combined because they're designated passenger but a truck has to have a '4600'kg cutoff ?!?! And it is 4600 not 4500 as stated in the video and that's from the MTO. When you're being scaled 100kg matters. Let's not forget if you tip the scales over 4600 into commercial territory that you can get charged for not having a commercial A license or A Modified.
I got $1425 in fines, my truck and trailer plates seized by the cops and left stranded in a parking lot. Then had to get new plates and tags for everything to the tune of $312 at Service Ontario. Is that justice or the correct application of a law we aren't aware of?? Apparently that law only applies till 5pm though cause it's a day job
Karl Larsen May 30, 2018 7:21 PM
Do you run a business?OL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 8:56 PM
No. The truck and trailer are personal. I was deemed commercial usage by the officer because I exceeded the 4600 kgs by 300kgsB
Backatitracing May 30, 2018 6:35 PM
So how come on my back of my g licence my automobile/combin max is 11,000kg towed vehicle max 4600kg?OL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 8:54 PM
Because the combined 11000 is for a car or suv.
The 4600 is for when you drive a truck according to the Mto. Then that's the total you can be including the truckOL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 6:34 PM
Super informative 4 weeks after the blitz on trailers happened!!! Nice city cash grab on anywhere around 80K in unwarranted fines. Police say it's the Mayors office responsible due to the city receiving complaints about road quality and being asked to enforce a trailer weight limit that's what's damaging the roads. Mayors office says the Police aren't being pushed but they're running an independent blitz. The video says it has to do with the community witnessing overloaded trailers. Nice game of pass the buck from the municipality offices local law enforcement.C
Chris1117 May 30, 2018 9:13 PM
Im confused right now. How does a single axle truck weighing 8000 do more damage to a road then a tri axle truck weighing 35000. Does that make sense to anyone???OL
Omni Global Ltd. May 30, 2018 9:46 PM
It doesn't do more damage. Maybe the city should get the winter crews to raise their scrapers on nights when it doesn't snow instead on scraping off the top layers of asphaltJ
janegray May 30, 2018 6:29 PM
Speak up folks or forever hold your peace,I mean pay these fines and plant flowers in you trailer?W
Westend May 30, 2018 6:18 PM
what about doing something about all the crazy drivers here in the sault. do some real police work for a change