Help US!! If A Ford, G.M. Nissan, Toyota or any other vehicle manufacturer had this happen what would the LAWYERS AND GOVERNMENT BE DOING?  Why does all these boat trailers / horse trailers and utility trailers get a free pass on safety?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:10 am   Post subject: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Hi. I need some suggestions and information. I have a 18.5 fish and ski bass boat from very well known bass boat manufacturer. I bought the boat and trailer brand new in 2005. The trailer has one axle.

Yesterday afternoon I was driving on westbound freeway 580 towards Livermore California in the far right lane traveling about 55 to 60 mph. I was coming down the Alta Mont Pass, about 2 miles from the Greenville Road exit, when my wife said something did not seem right. About a 1/2 second later I felt a thump and felt something dragging. I looked in my driver's side rear view mirror and saw my boat and trailer skidding sideways in the next lane over to my left. I had one of those oh sh@&^t moments. The trailer swung back around behind me and I pulled over to the side of the road.

I got out of my E250 van and expected to see a flat tire. Instead I saw the axle and the two wheels about 100 yards behind me in the shoulder of the road. The wheels were still attached to the axle. the van is fine btw.

There were alot of cars nearby and thank God no one got hurt from the trailer or the axle. As far as i know, no cars were hit by the axle.

I am not mechanically inclined so bear with me. I looked at the axle and tires. One tire had a gash in it where the sidewall meets the tire and it also had a hole in it. The hole and gash were on the in side of the tire (the side that faces the axle not the street). I believe the tires are load range C and I think is Tow Maxx brand?

Before leaving on my camping trip, I made sure the tires were inflated to 50 psi cold -per the instructions on the tires and on the trailer's VIN plate. The welds that attach the axle to the trailer frame were sheared off.

The boat appeared to be okay and the 150 Optimax engine appeared to be okay (from a quick inspection). The boat, trailer and detached axle are sitting at a tow yard in Livermore. My boat trailer warranty expired four years ago which sucks.

I called my insurance company to make a claim. I should hear form them.

Thanks for reading.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:57 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Man that sucks Will. I've lost a tire and drove on the rim for several mile w/o knowing but never lost an axle. Doesn't the trailer have shackle springs that hold the axle? My Ranger does. Hey at least it didn't hurt anyone and the skeg or lower unit wasn't damaged. Hopefully the trailer didn't get nailed. Any Pics? Good luck on the repair.

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BTW did you have a good day fishing?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:20 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Ouch. Skilled welders in the trailer-building industry are almost an oxymoron. I've looked at plenty of RV trailers where the welds looked like they were done by a 13-year old using sticks and a couple car batteries.

I thought my Weekend warrior was built better than most, but I found a cracked weld on the trailer A-frame. I was not able to get warranty work done in NC, so I decided to take it back to the dealer in Corvallis. Guess what happened on the way home:

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PS - same van, but the damage caused the trailer broad-siding it gave me the perfect excuse to make it a better color.

Likewise, I was able to keep it it my lane, and the truck alongside it manage to escape. And, insurance picked up the tab since it resulted in a collision. About 1-month later, Weekend Warrior announced a recall on all of its trailers, to have the A-frames re-built. About 1-month after that they filed for bankruptcy leaving most owners high-and-dry.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:07 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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I am not sure how to post pictures but I have alot of them if someone wants to post them for me.

Dave I went to Don Pedro and fished for about 10 minutes. I spent the rest of the weekend tubing. My boat and trailer are made by Ranger. They said the warranty expired and they had no interest in what happened.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:23 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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That's a very short-sighted view by the manufacturer. Warranty, and design flaws (if that's what it is) are not related. If the design is inadequate, they're lucky they don't have a lawsuit on their hands if someone had been hurt. If it were my company, I'd want pictures and possibly even send a rep to investigate.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:29 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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The person I spoke to on the phone did not seem interested to hear what happened. I told her I was driving on the freeway and the axle came off. She didnt ask for clarification or anything like that. I asked her how much for some replacement parts (like a new axle and fenders) and she told me. I will send them an email and pictures once I get a better idea of what happened.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:26 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Hi Will,

So did the axle come off the springs where the u bolts hold it on? Some of those light duty trailers only have one u bolt per side. Or did the springs come off too. I assume it has leaf springs? Does it have brakes, if so that connection (hose or wires) will have to fixed as well. If its just a bolt together problem some times it was not assembled or torqued correctly. When trailers are new and come to the selling dealers they usually need to be assembled.

All trailers need to have thier fasteners checked for torque anually (at least) when the wheel bearings are repacked. Bolts on the coupler, the u bolts, the shackle bolts on the springs, any frame and or bunk/roller bolts all need to be checked.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:18 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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The trailer had a torsion axle. The two welds that attach the axle to the trailer frame failed and they broke.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:32 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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I thought my Weekend warrior was built better than most, but I found a cracked weld on the trailer A-frame. I was not able to get warranty work done in NC, so I decided to take it back to the dealer in Corvallis. About 1-month later, Weekend Warrior announced a recall on all of its trailers, to have the A-frames re-built. About 1-month after that they filed for bankruptcy leaving most owners high-and-dry.


I agree totally about the RV trailer manufacturing! I re-did (Boxed the frame rails, etc.) most of my Weekend Warrior my self.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:23 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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I am not sure how to post pictures but I have alot of them if someone wants to post them for me.

Dave I went to Don Pedro and fished for about 10 minutes. I spent the rest of the weekend tubing. My boat and trailer are made by Ranger. They said the warranty expired and they had no interest in what happened.


That's our companies lake. Still they won't give the employees a free pass unless we're working up there :d7:

Ranger does a good job on their trailers...I'm surprised.


I just posted this for another member maybe it will help:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:31 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:44 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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It looks like some of those places where it mounts have been cracked or broken for a while, note the rust or dull metal. The shiny parts are where it was rubbing metal to metal. Its hard to say but it looks like the metal near the welds broke for some reason. Hope that Ranger can help you out.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:53 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Hi Jamie. I had the trailer tongue replaced last year at the dealership. I also had them rotate a trailer tire. They also fixed a live well pump. They were working on my boat trailer for at least an hour to two hours. They never mentioned anything about the welds or brackets.

I am pretty clueless about these things or I would have checked. 20/20 is hindsight. I will check this in the future.

Apparently this has happened to other Ranger owners. I was not aware of this until yesterday.....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:12 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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It looks like a few others have had the torsion axle brackets break. Most blame the trailer mfg. for improper design of the connection between the bracket and the frame.

I agree that from the pictures it looks like the failure occurred over time.

Good luck getting them to perform on the warranty!

http://www.tidalfish.com/forums/showthread.php/309388-Trailer-Axle-Mount-Failure-Keep-an-Eye-on-Yours!
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f72/failure-of-axle-brackets-on-scamp-5w-trailers-31032.html
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:27 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Did you contact Ranger Boats at (870) 453-2222 and ask for customer service or contact the dealership where you purchased the boat , because having owned several Rangers have always found them wiling to at least listen to complaint especially one as serious as this . Ranger is the first Bass Boat maker to build all of their trailers in house and have actually contributed to the overall design of the majority small craft trailers be sold today . I would call and ask to speak to the Trailer division Manager , might be worth a try .
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:13 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Hi Greg. Ranger is not helpful. They offered a 1,000.00 discount towards the price of a new trailer. A brand new replacement trailer from them, for my boat, is 6,000 dollars. I spoke nicely to a manager in the warranty department and he would not budge. He said my trailer is out of warranty and it is their good will to offer a 1,000 discount. Never mind the welds are shitty and the axle they used had problems from the get go. He admitted there has been problems like the one I had. Apparently other owners had problems with their 2005 axles and had to get them replaced. As far as I can tell Ranger never did a recall or made any effort to contact owners to get the parts replaced.

I told him that someone could have been killed or hurt form my incident. His response was basically no one did so what 's the matter......

It seems like the boat owner had to contact them first to get the ball rolling. If they told me about the problem, or to be on the lookout, I would have taken care of the axle years ago. I am more mad at Ranger for not putting the word out versus bad parts and welds. My insurance should cover most of the trailer. Still waiting to her from them.

I served 4 years in the Marines and the past 16 years in public safety. I willingly put my life on the line every day I go to work for the past 20 years. I never thought driving my boat to a lake I was doing the same thing to my family, others and I. There is a whole thread on this topic at bassboatcentral.com in the general forum discussion...

I will never buy a Ranger again. I will never recommend Ranger to anyone.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:25 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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...I will never buy a Ranger again. I will never recommend Ranger to anyone.


Can't blame you at all. It's service after the fact that sets apart the great companies from the do-what-it-takes-to-get-by companies.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:43 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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What a sick feeling that must have been...So the boat is ok? I'll be lookin at mine!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:19 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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Hi Will,

Did you try Ranger corporate or just your dealer? Most of the time dealers cannot do anything when it comes to extending warranties or doing any customer good will. My bet is that they can easily give you a thousand off, they could probably do that for anyone on the list price of a new trailer. I would try finding a number to a corporate rep and see what they say. Be nice but very firm, do not get mad that will not help at all. You may ask your insurance company if there is anything they think you should do. And you could always contact an attorney. I agree that is a very bad thing to happen and luckily you had enough experience to keep it going straight long enough to pull over. I can tell you right now if someone got hurt hitting the axle you can bet you and Ranger would both be in court.

The problem of course is how good would a new trailer be? Would you have the same problems with one down the road? From what I see a lot of those type of axles have cracking problems.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:07 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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I talked to the dealership and gave them photos. The dealership contacted Ranger and forwarded the photos. The dealership was nice and helpful.

The guy from the Ranger warranty department called me and told me about the $1000.00 discount. I was very nice to the guy at corporate even though I wanted to give him a piece of mind. He had an attitude of it's not our fault and you should be glad that we're giving you $1000.00 off a new trailer because you are out of warranty. A new trailer like the one I have retails at $6200.00 if you include all the fees like dealer prep, shipping, taxes etc. So that drops the price to $5200.00.

I have no idea what my insurance company will cover since they hired a marine surveyor to look at the boat, motor and trailer. He is busy and will not see them until next Thursday.... So I am in a holding pattern.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:28 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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The problem is that they used a torsion axle and by its very design, it wants to rotate out of the frame. The mounting of the axle to the frame was insufficient to handle the rotational force, the mounts work hardened and failed.

Small Claims Court - file a claim and they will bend over backwards to help you out and avoid the case, a case where there is clear evidence of design flaw, known by Ranger, and not passed on to an original owner.
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I hate me some courthouses, but I just would not be able to let this one go. $1000 discount on another f'd up trailer? WHAAAAAAT ARE Y'ALL THINKIN'? That offer alone indicates some acceptance of responsibility on their part. I'd just have to see a dang lawyer to get informed.

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Can we say ....... Class Action?
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Can't blame you at all. It's service after the fact that sets apart the great companies from the do-what-it-takes-to-get-by companies.


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You mean there are great companies left? I can't find one, except very small ones. Any great ones get big quick, and as soon as they get big, so do their lawyers who defend them. The sad state of America.
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I hate me some courthouses, but I just would not be able to let this one go. $1000 discount on another f'd up trailer? WHAAAAAAT ARE Y'ALL THINKIN'? That offer alone indicates some acceptance of responsibility on their part. I'd just have to see a dang lawyer to get informed.

Hey Ranger... :l7:


:g1: I know if I was on that road and saw a trailer axle coming at me I would not be happy, let alone if it hit me.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:52 am   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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If it was my trailer, I'd probably value my free time more than what it might cost to have that trailer re-built out of pocket.

However I'd still want to do what I can to get the original builder to inform other owners if this is indeed a wide-spread issue. If it is, and it's not clear that we have enough information to really know that this wasn't an outlier, but really someone at the manufacturer should be looking into that), then this is really a public safety issue.

Does anyone have any experience with how the NHTSA works for such issues? Just looking, there's a link on the http://www.nhtsa.gov/ site to report a vehicle or child seat defect. I'd certainly submit a report.

BTW, happy to hear no one was hurt. It's certainly another thing I'll add to the list of things to check on any trailer I tow.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:27 pm   Post subject: Re: My boat trailer axle broke off while driving!
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My guess is the boat took a high or hard bounce as well. I'd be lookin over that transom and the hydrolics as well, especially if you wern't using a transom saver.
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    Hi. I need some suggestions and information. I have a 18.5 fish and ski bass boat from very well known bass boat manufacturer. I bought the boat and trailer brand new in 2005. The trailer has one axle.

    Earlier today, I was driving on freeway in the far right lane traveling about 55 to 60 mph. I was coming down a hill when my wife said something did not seem right. About a 1/2 second later I felt a thump and felt something dragging. I looked in my driver's side rear view mirror and saw my boat and trailer skidding sideways in the next lane over to my left. The trailer swung back around behind me and I pulled over to the side of the road. I got out of my van and expected to see a flat tire. Instead I saw the axle and the two wheels about 100 yards behind me in the shoulder of the road. The wheels were still attached to the axle.

    There were alot of cars nearby and thank God no one got hurt from the trailer or the axle. As far as i know, no cars were hit by the axle.

    I am not mechanically inclined so bear with me. I looked at the axle and tires. One tire had a gash in it where the sidewall meets the tire and it also had a hole in it. The hole and gash were on the in side of the tire (the side that faces the axle not the street). Before leaving on my camping trip, I made sure the tires were inflated to 50 psi cold -per the instructions on the tires and on the trailer's VIN plate. The welds that attach the axle to the trailer frame were sheared off.

    The boat appeared to be okay and the 150 Optimax engine appeared to be okay (from a quick inspection). The boat, trailer and detached axle are sitting at a tow yard right now. My boat trailer warranty expired four years ago.

    I called my insurance company to make a claim. I should hear form them tomorrow. If they dont cover me, how much could a replacement axle, fender etc. set me back? What about a good replacement trailer? I plan on having Boatmasters in Livermore California take a look at the trailer, boat and engine since the tow yard is a few minutes away from them.

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    Glad you are safe. Cost would depend on maker, type of material fender is made from, etc. As far as a new axle, I had to get one some years ago for a larger boat and I contacted the trailer manufacture and they asked why I was replacing it and I told them and they said it may have been a faulty axle and they replaced free, I just had to install it. Call the trailer manufacture company and ask, it is worth a try.
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    Do your best to get your trailer totalled. New trailers come with new tires, which you will have to buy if you fix yours.
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    Fixing the trailer wont be worth it. Broke my axle last year on my old boat and just bought a new trailer for it. Also, my insurance company covered ONLY the towing and not the trailer. They said that the trailer was normal wear and tear and not from hitting something. My suggestion, TELL THEM YOU HIT SOMETHING!!!! Good luck with it, I know firsthand that its a pain in the a$$!!!
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    The welds that attach the axle to the trailer frame were sheared off.
    This^^^^^
    As others have said, it's cheaper to buy a new trailer.
    Considering that it appears to be a manufacturing defect (welds don't break if done correctly), I would contact the trailer manufacturer and do some whining and crying; it shouldn't have broken, it's only 5 years old, the trailer is a write-off, my boat could have been wrecked, someone could have been killed, etc. They may do something for you; there's nothing to lose by trying.
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    WOW. Glad your OK that could have been real ugly!! So what exactly broke?? Did the axle actually brake or did the U bolts or spring hangers brake off ?

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    I am going to take a buddy to the tow yard and he will tell me what he thinks. He is very knowledgeable. at this point I dont if its a good idea to name the brand. Let me think about it. I'll will say its is a brand that has an excellent reputation amongst the bass fishing world. Is it possible to post pictures? I dont know how to do it. How common is it for an axle to come off?

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    Can you have the axle rewelded back on. If it wasn't damaged and the weld just broke it might can be cleaned up and repaired.
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    TELL THEM YOU HIT SOMETHING!!!!
    Really? Telling someone they should lie to their insurance company. Isn't there laws about that!

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    If you hit a pothole did you not hit something? I hit one last year in the middle of the road and broke the straps holding the batteries down and one turned over and messed up the boat.
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    Let me think about it. I'll will say its is a brand that has an excellent reputation amongst the bass fishing world.

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    Sounds like a scary situation. Im glad everyone is ok. Does your trailer not have leaf springs?
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    ...How common is it for an axle to come off?

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    Uh, considering I have never heard of it happening in 52 years I think it rather uncommon. I know of trailers that have been in service for over 35 years and still going. I am assuming the leaf hangers sheared from the trailer frame? The springs were still attached to the axle? So you sheared four welded leaf hangers clean off the frame in one instance? Warranty or not I think the trailer manufacturer owes you a new trailer and needs to FIRE a welder. Whoever the manufacturer is they do not want this publicized.
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    Sounds like a scary situation. Im glad everyone is ok. Does your trailer not have leaf springs?
    Im going to go out on a limb and take a guess he has a torsion spring set-up where the axle is attached directly to the trailer.
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    This^^^^^
    As others have said, it's cheaper to buy a new trailer.
    Considering that it appears to be a manufacturing defect (welds don't break if done correctly), I would contact the trailer manufacturer and do some whining and crying; it shouldn't have broken, it's only 5 years old, the trailer is a write-off, my boat could have been wrecked, someone could have been killed, etc. They may do something for you; there's nothing to lose by trying.
    This quote, again. Welds don't break on 5 year old trailers. Tell the manufacturer that perhaps there should be a recall on all their trailers. That would get their attention.
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    A series of events would have to take place, I would assume it started with a broken axle. I dunno


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    I went to the tow yard with my buddy. Its a torsion axle. The welds on both ends of the axle broke where they meet the axle if that makes sense. The trailer is warped behind the area where the left tire should be. I am sure its warped in other places as well but I did not look too hard. The boat and motor appear to be okay but who knows? Its a fiberglass boat. I had a transom saver (I dont remember the brand name) and it popped loose from the impact. I am worried about the stresses of the motor moving up and down during the impact and the shifting weight stressing the fiberglass. The motor's skeg was intact etc. I went to the closet dealer and the person I need to speak to will be in tomorrow. I took a lot of photos so he can see what happened. Hopefully the company will replace the trailer and pay for storage etc. I should not have to come out of pocket if their welder did a poor job.
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    7 year old trailer failed at the welds, again I bet you find the welds failing was a secondary issue. Should have been some u bolts holding the axle to the trailer also.. My bet is something caused the wheels to lock up and also caused the spindle to get very hot, which helped the weld fail on one side. This is only a theory would like to hear what really happened once u find out.


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    7 year old trailer failed at the welds, again I bet you find the welds failing was a secondary issue. Should have been some u bolts holding the axle to the trailer also.. My bet is something caused the wheels to lock up and also caused the spindle to get very hot, which helped the weld fail on one side. This is only a theory would like to hear what really happened once u find out.
    It's likely that the torsion arms are welded directly to the axle.
    I doubt that the welds breaking was a secondary issue, unless someone hooked a chain around the axle ala "American Graffiti", lol. The torsion arms try to work independently, but the axle is one-piece, if the description is accurate. The welds likely failed due to metal fatigue; poor design.
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    I had one spindle break out of a torsion axle. really strange that both ends broke off at once. If I am reading this correctly.
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    what? no pictures? thank goodness noone was hurt, file your claims, but i would be in the market for a new trailer right now, and not a torsion axle one either.
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    I would think the "warped" area on the left side is where the welds held and then sheared do to failure on the right. I would not think all welds failed.

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    I took alot of pictures. How does the torsion axle attach to the trailer frame? There is clearly a brake in the welds on each side of the axle. I am not a mechanic. All I can really say for certainty is that the axle came off as I was driving down the freeway. I went to a boat dealer that carries the brand of boat I have. The person I need to speak to will be in on Tuesday. I was told this person would deal with the manufacturer directly. I gave the dealership about 40 pictures of the boat, trailer, axle etc.
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    Is the axle still attached to the trailer and the ends(spindles and torsion part) broke off the axle tube. Or did the entire tube also break off the trailer.
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    you should post some photos so we can access the issue better. It is not hard go to photo bucket get free account uplaod photos then use the image code to post the photo. Just use copy/paste to get them to BBC. Start a post then paste the img code in post and the photo will appear.

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    I don't know how to use photo bucket. If someone wants to upload a few photographs for me, I will gladly send them to be posted.
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    I have a 2001 EZLoader tandem axel trailer. Last year driving home I heard a claking noise coming from the boat, stopped to check it out and couldnt not see anything wrong. Got home and did a closer inspection and found a spring had broken into 2 pieces and front half of spring was just bouncing up and down on top of axel making the noise. One of the ubolt was still attached to back half of spring, but if I had hit a big bump or something like that the axel could have come competely off and caused a big accident. Felt very forunate.
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    glad everybody is ok and hope they take care of you.


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    Here are the pictures I was sent. Click the pic to enlarge.
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    I sent Krainium some pictures of the axle only. The pictures were taken with two different cameras. The pictures were taken at the scene of the incident yesterday and today at the tow yard. I did not send him photos of the rims, trailer or boat. I do not want to identify the manufacturer until they get a chance to respond. I will be talking to a dealer for the manufacturer tomorrow. Once I get word from the manufacturer I will identify them.

    Can anyone give me a clue what story the pictures tell?
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    I can't say definitively from the pictures. It appears that the clean brite metal spots are all that was welded together and the amount of clean bright metal would seem to me to be insufficient for strong welds. I see a lot of area that looks like rust developed between pieces of metal that should have been welded together and are now pulled apart revealing the rust. That is what I think I see. I would want to see it in person, look at the weld seam quality and look at the weld penetration before I said for sure. But these are things to be considered by someone inspecting it in person.
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    Looks like a combination of metal fatigue compounded with really bad welds. I'd definitely see what the mfr. has to say. Terrible QC. Good luck in getting a resolution you deserve.
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    He sent me some other pictures but they were huge.
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    I can't say definitively from the pictures. It appears that the clean brite metal spots are all that was welded together and the amount of clean bright metal would seem to me to be insufficient for strong welds. I see a lot of area that looks like rust developed between pieces of metal that should have been welded together and are now pulled apart revealing the rust. That is what I think I see. I would want to see it in person, look at the weld seam quality and look at the weld penetration before I said for sure. But these are things to be considered by someone inspecting it in person.
    i agree. terrible welding. very spotty.

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    As I said above, go after the manufacturer for another trailer.
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    I had a trailer fixed not cheap. The repair was not great the axle was slightly off and my tires were gone bald on me in just a few weeks. At 60 miles a day on the trailer every day for an entire summer I decided just to go new. I searched the Internet and found a trailer the best constructed and cheapest I could find was from a company called NEXTRAIL out of Florida nextrail.com if you decide to go that route.
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    I know what kind of trailer that is, I had a strong suspicion when reading what you described what happened. You are not the only one that has happened to. Being a former dealer for the brand, it was not all too uncommon for us to have seen actually. Call the factory, have your VIN number ready, and explain to them your situation, it may take some persuasion but the only RIGHT way to correct that problem is to build a new trailer.
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    And having a dealer that will help in the process should speed things up.
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    That company had a problem with single axle trailers in 2005-2006 but would never admit to it, lucky that there was no deaths because the company would not address the problem until a failure happened. By the way, getting a NEW trailer will not be their way of a fix. Just a new axle that will be welded on. Good luck.
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    First, I'm glad no one was hurt. Second, those welds are terrible! I've got girls at work that can weld better than that. It's a wonder someone hasn't been killed as a result of this. Improper metal prep, improper technique. I don't know if I would want a new trailer from the same manufacture after that.
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    To me it looks like it was tack welded to set the axle and missed the final weld process. There seems to be no full welds but I also see what seems like metal fatiue also. They may step up for you just talk nice and it may go a long ways.

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    I talked to a person at the dealership. He sent the photos I took of the accident to the manufacturer. Hopefully i will get a good resolution. I dont know if I mentioned it, but the trailer is bent on the left side between the wheel well. It may be bent else where.
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    I will join in on a class action if one is started. That is a Ranger Trail trailer. I had the same trailer on my '06 188VS and had the exact same problem. I luckily noticed a hole worn through the fiberglass fender while detailing the boat between trips. I first thought that the fender was loose until I put a jack on the trailer frame and lifted it. The axle fell out from under the trailer frame. All of the welds were broken just like yours. I had the boat hauled to my dealer on a roll back where it sat for 6 weeks while I battled with Rangers Awful customer service. They did admit that they had seen this issue multiple times but didn't think that it warranted a recall. My boat was still under warranty as this happened in 2009. I tried everything possible to make them replace the trailer with a brand new trailer due to the main frame being warped from the weight of the boat bouncing on it with no axle support. My dealer was on my side and said that the trailer should not be repaired. Ranger told the dealer to take a sledge hammer and beat the frame and axle hangers straight. The first axle they sent was the wrong one and it took 2 weeks to get another. I had the boat sold and was in the process of buying another new ranger when this happened. After 6 weeks at the shop I got the half ass rigged trailer back and the guy that was buying still wanted it so I sold it to him. Needless to say after all the crap I did not buy another Ranger. 5 months after I sold the Ranger the guy that bought it from me called me and said that the trailer had done the exact same thing again. I KNOW there are plenty of these cases out there and if no one has been killed from this it is a miracle.
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    I guess the cat is out of the hat huh? So much for they build their own trailers. Sounds like the NMMA and NTSB should be notified. One of those two should force a recall.
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    To me it looks like it was tack welded to set the axle and missed the final weld process. There seems to be no full welds but I also see what seems like metal fatiue also. They may step up for you just talk nice and it may go a long ways.
    That's a very strong possibility looking at all the rust, it should have been freshly broke and shiney. Terrible weld job.
    I agree get with the dealer and try working with the manufacturer.
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    I guess the cat is out of the hat huh? So much for they build their own trailers. Sounds like the NMMA and NTSB should be notified. One of those two should force a recall.
    If you're interested Bass Cat makes their own trailers too. I have one now and I had one on an earlier Bass Cat. Both were made well, and designed well too. If I had to buy a used trailer I would buy a Bass Cat trailer in a heartbeat over many other brands.
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    What exactly would a recall do to this company? Would the recall make them fix every trailer whether or not its covered under warranty? Would there be a penalty for the company if they knew about the problem but did not address it unless a customer complained?
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    Probably wouldn't hurt them much since they're a big conglomerate and they would have to do an investigation into which trailers are affected and only recall those regardless of warranty status. Same as how auto manufactures handle recall I think. If they knew about and chose to ignore it? they might face criminal charges especially if injury/death occurred.
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    Well this is where I am at. The boat manufacturer and trailer is Ranger. My photos were sent to the warranty department. I spoke to someone who shall remain anonymous. This person told me that he viewed the photographs. He told me my boat and trailer are not under warranty and that out of Rangers good graces he would knock a thousand bucks off a new trailer. Nothing more. He said the axle were made by a company other than Ranger. If I remember correctly he said they only bolted the bracket to the trailer. Its not their fault the axle broke off. He said they make 5000 trailers a year and only a few people had problems. Not enough to do a recall or notify owners. I told him that I would not expect Ranger to repair light fixtures out of warranty, like a faded carpet, live well pumps etc. but axle and brackets are a different story. I mentioned someone could have died and or been serious hurt and his response was basically no one got hurt in this case.... I served in the Marines for four years and public safety for the last sixteen years. I put my life on the line every day I go to work. I never thought I was putting my life or family's life on the line every time I wanted to go fishing. Ranger should notify all owners who may be affected. I am really disappointed. Even if my insurance covers the bill I am still surprised.......DSC_0013.jpgDSC00438.jpgDSC_0028.jpgDSC_0012.jpgDSC00431.jpg
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    Could someone explain what building the process is for a boat trailer with a torsion ale? I want to know if I got this right. In 2005 Ranger built my trailer minus the axle which was outsourced. Ranger the mounted my axle from the second party by bolting or welding the axle or axle brackets to the trailer frame? If Ranger did not properly mount the axle, even if the axle is outsourced, dont they have a responsiblilty to the customer even after the warranty expired becasue its been a known a safety issue? Its not like i trashed my trailer or drove intothings. I only have about 150 hours on the engine in 7 years.
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    wl1993, I'm glad that you,your family and no one else was hurt. But you have a trailer that happens to be 7 years old. Do you think an automobile company would fix your car if you broke an axle of this age? I know you think that Ranger should replace the trailer. I'm not a welder and probably most people on this thread aren't either so I can't say if it's poor workmanship. I will tell you that all boat companies buy parts and materials from outside sources. My buddy and I have owned Rangers for the last 30 years and neither of us have had a single issue with our trailers. The small issues that I have had Ranger has gone out of their way to take care of. People want to bash Ranger every chance that they get because they are the big dogs. I hope you get your problem resolved to your likeing.
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    It is bolted to the trailer frame however it breaks the brackets which are welded to the frame. The problem is on all 2005-2006 Ranger single axle trailers. The Ranger warranty person you speak of basically told me that they are "Ranger Boats and we do what we want". After 4 conversations with that jerk I went above his head just to get anything done. Ranger should have already had a voluntary recall on these trailers. Each trailer made during these years should be inspected and replaced if needed. The problem area is hard to identify with a visual inspection due to the road armor coating. When the welds are broken it can't be seen due to the armor coating stretching out and covering it up. It is bad that they have a problem with their trailers but it is worse that they will do nothing about it.
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    The best thing that could happen with your case would be that your insurance pays for a new trailer then turns around and places a lawsuit against Ranger.
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    Rangered. I am not trying to bash Ranger. I purposely did not identify Ranger until the bottom of the third page of this post. Other people knew it was a Ranger trailer before I ever mentioned the name. That tells me it has been a problem if Ranger was the only brand mentioned. No one mentioned Stratos, Champion, BassCat, Nitro etc. And you are wrong to say or imply I broke the axle, brackets or welds. I was driving down the freeway when the axle came off. That is different than me "breaking the axle." I never drove my trailer recklessly or smashed the axle. If I drove over a curb or into a ditch and the axle came off I would not expect Ranger to cover it wheter it was under warranty or not. Why can't Ranger do a recall? How many other Ranger owners are out there driving around unknowingly putting peoples lives at risk? Does someone have to die or be injured fro them to do something? This issue is bigger than me and my trailer.

    I like my boat. I liked my trailer until this weekend. I have had several issues with my boat. Ranger did do a good job on the stuff under warranty (A leaky hub after owning the boat a few weeks, one of the replacement hubs melting -the parts that could melt melted, water overflowing into the ski locker ect). No complaints on the warranty stuff.

    I had work done on a livewell pump, windsheild repair, etc. that were not under warranty. I paid for those fixes out of my own pocket with no complaint. I would have replaced the axle if they told me to be on the lookout. If they would not have covered the axle - becasue it was out of warranty - then I would have paid for the fix becasue its a SAFETY ISSUE.
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    The bottom line is no trailer, or any trailer on the road should have the axle brake off.. period!
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    The bottom line is no trailer, or any trailer on the road should have the axle brake off.. period!
    I agree.. Not sure what they're trying to do with just using (what appears to be) spot welds? Can't be much overhead in leaving a weld unfinished can it?? Especially one that's out of sight and is the only thing holding the axle to the frame.. I'd of guessed it was just one that slipped through, but it appears it's more common than that.. If I owned one I'd be on my back looking to see if the welds are finished.. If not, the few bucks to have a trailer/welding shop tighen em' up would be worth the piece of mind to me.. Good luck "OP" getting your problem taken care of!
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    There's so many pot holes and ruts on that stretch of the freeway, I'd file a claim against CalTrans. Seems like they only do a "patch and pray" repair instead of proper upkeep there..... Worth a try and hope it all works out for you! And, glad that you're all OK and that no one got hurt.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangered View Post
    But you have a trailer that happens to be 7 years old. Do you think an automobile company would fix your car if you broke an axle of this age?
    They sure will. If it's determined to be poor workmanship, I think they're obligated to. Toyota bought back the Tacoma's (way out of warranty) that have rusted frame at full retail price. They replaced the ball joint on my Tundra and voluntarily inspected my truck for rust and my truck is 10 yrs old.
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    Had a friend that had one of those, about that time period. His tires kept hitting the fenders. After about 3 axles they replaced the whole trailer. Problem for guys that have them now is the company that owned Ranger during that time period went bankrupt.
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    Might as well file a claim with insurance and get a new trailer. It stinks but only other choice is get a lawyer and maybe after a lengthy legal process you might get a few bucks back. Class action, good luck with that. You have to find a lawyer(s) who would be willing to fight that battle in order to get their money back after the settlement is decided. Keep up the fight if your able but it will be a long and costly one. The main thing is you and your boat survived and no one was hurt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wl1193 View Post
    Rangered. I am not trying to bash Ranger. I purposely did not identify Ranger until the bottom of the third page of this post. Other people knew it was a Ranger trailer before I ever mentioned the name. That tells me it has been a problem if Ranger was the only brand mentioned. No one mentioned Stratos, Champion, BassCat, Nitro etc. And you are wrong to say or imply I broke the axle, brackets or welds. I was driving down the freeway when the axle came off. That is different than me "breaking the axle." I never drove my trailer recklessly or smashed the axle. If I drove over a curb or into a ditch and the axle came off I would not expect Ranger to cover it wheter it was under warranty or not. Why can't Ranger do a recall? How many other Ranger owners are out there driving around unknowingly putting peoples lives at risk? Does someone have to die or be injured fro them to do something? This issue is bigger than me and my trailer.

    I like my boat. I liked my trailer until this weekend. I have had several issues with my boat. Ranger did do a good job on the stuff under warranty (A leaky hub after owning the boat a few weeks, one of the replacement hubs melting -the parts that could melt melted, water overflowing into the ski locker ect). No complaints on the warranty stuff.

    I had work done on a livewell pump, windsheild repair, etc. that were not under warranty. I paid for those fixes out of my own pocket with no complaint. I would have replaced the axle if they told me to be on the lookout. If they would not have covered the axle - becasue it was out of warranty - then I would have paid for the fix becasue its a SAFETY ISSUE.
    Not a fan of suing but I would expect a new trailer right away or I would immediately get my lawyer involved. I would assume you're not the first person to have this issue so that means they had prior knowledge of a latent defect in their product.
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    Will Insurance pay for this? I am sure wl1193 feels different with what he has been thru but I can see an insurance company saying this is a mechanical breakdown and not an "accident".
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    Will Insurance pay for this?
    My guess is not unless he hit a pothole or something that "caused" it.. Just worn out parts or shoddy parts/welds won't do it from an INS co., I don't think..
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    My insurance company hired a marine surveyor to look at the boat and trailer. He wont see the boat or trailer until next Thursday. I am in a holding pattern for now.
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    Does anyone know the physical address of Ranger HQ? I see they have a PO Box but I would like the physical address as well. Who is in charge of Ranger? Is it Randy Hopper?
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